FTP/SIS Infrastructure and Growth Leadership Advisory Group Summary of Meeting #2 April 16, 2015 FDOT Central Office, Auditorium Tallahassee, FL

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1 FTP/SIS Infrastructure and Growth Leadership Advisory Group Summary of Meeting #2 April 16, 2015 FDOT Central Office, Auditorium Tallahassee, FL Advisory Group members or designees present (in alphabetical order by last name) Advisory Group Member, Organization The Honorable Matthew Surrency, Mayor, City of Hawthorne (representing Florida League of Cities)(Chair) The Honorable Susan Haynie, Mayor, City of Boca Raton (representing Metropolitan Planning Organization Advisory Council) (Vice Chair) Alice Ancona, Florida Chamber of Commerce Harry Barley, MetroPlan Orlando (representing Metropolitan Planning Organization Advisory Council) Janet Bowman, The Nature Conservancy Florida Chapter David Bredahl, Florida Engineering Society Dale Calhoun, Florida Natural Gas Association Designee (if applicable) Karen Deigl, Florida Public Transportation Association Lisa Bacot Jim Ely, TEAM Florida Marc Hoenstine, Duke Energy Steve Holmes, Florida Commission for the Transportation Disadvantaged Jim Murley, South Florida Regional Planning Council (representing Florida Regional Councils Association) Sam Poole, Urban Land Institute Pete Petree, Florida Railroad Association Chris Stahl, Florida Department of Environmental Protection Lt. Col. Troy Thompson, Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles FDOT Support Staff Lt. James Hightower DeWayne Carver, Central Office, State Bicycle/Pedestrian Coordinator Dan Cashin, Central Office, Manager Finance, Program, and Resource Allocation Bob Crim, Central Office, Manager - Production Support Office Tom Duncan, Central Office, Spaceport Development Manager Ken Jefferies, District 6, SIS Coordinator Tim Lattner, Central Office, Director Office of Maintenance Donna Lockhart, Central Office, Financial Analyst Jimmy McDonald, Central Office, Seaport Senior Planner

2 Jim Green, District 2, Transportation Specialist Jim Halley, Central Office, Aviation System Manager Dionne Richardson, District 6, Manager - Freight, Logistics, & Passenger Operations Keith Robbins, District 1, Freight Coordinator FTP/SIS Staff Jim Wood, FDOT Rafael Montalvo, Consensus Center Maria Cahill, FDOT Nathan Higgins, Cambridge Systematics Regina Colson, FDOT Danny Shopf, Cambridge Systematics Dana Reiding, FDOT John Kaliski, Cambridge Systematics Huiwei Shen, FDOT Sarah Walker, Cambridge Systematics Brian Watts, FDOT Other in Attendance Hal Beardall, Consensus Center Ed Hutchinson, FDOT Transportation Statistics Office Jennifer Fortunas, FDOT Systems Planning Office Ed Lee, FDOT Rail Office Tanner Martin, CDM Smith Meeting Highlights Welcome and Introductions The Hon. Matt Surrency introduced himself as the Mayor of the City of Hawthorne representing the Florida League of Cities on the FTP/SIS Steering Committee and the Chair of the Infrastructure and Growth Leadership Advisory Group. He then noted that the vice chair of the Infrastructure and Growth Leadership Advisory Group, The Hon. Susan Haynie, Mayor of the City of Boca Raton, representing the Metropolitan Planning Organization Advisory Council, was unable to attend. He then thanked all of those who have agreed to participate in the second meeting of the Advisory Group. Mayor Surrency then noted that the Advisory Group has been tasked with supporting the Steering Committee by providing suggestions for their consideration in the area of Infrastructure and Growth Leadership. Mayor Surrency then asked everyone to briefly introduce themselves. Transportation Asset Management Presentation 2

3 Nathan Higgins, Cambridge Systematics, gave a presentation on transportation asset management. Advisory Group members offered the following questions and comments (responses to questions provided in italics): Are there asset management plans at the local/municipal level? Does the state track local roads? FDOT monitors all bridges regardless of who owns the bridge and reports this information to Federal Highway Administration. In addition, FDOT must report on the condition of all roads on the National Highway System, which includes more than just state owned roads. Outside of these processes, there is no mandated tracking process for all city and county roads. There are some municipalities that do have their own asset management programs. For bridges, if they are not in good condition, how can they be used? Most of the bridges in this category are safe to be used but not in good or excellent condition. If a bridge is unsafe to be used, it will be taken out of service. As bridge elements deteriorate, it is monitored but may not be unsafe for driving. Is it true that less than 1 percent of bridges have weight restrictions? Yes. Florida has a lot of bascule bridges, this adds complications to the transportation system if one goes out of service because it impacts both the road and the waterway. How do we compare with other states in terms of asset management? Florida is among the best states in managing bridges and pavement. Customer survey indicates 94 percent think Florida has better roads than home. Our milder climate helps with this too. If bridges don t have load limits, is there a standard weight limit? There is a weight standard and posted weight restrictions. It s an engineering not a planning decision as to whether a bridge meets the standard. Be careful about describing seaports as private - these are public assets. The key point is that they are not state owned. Texas is having more commercial space launches, is there anything FDOT is looking at in working with NASA to increase the amount of launches? Yes, FDOT is working with Space Florida to diversify the current space launch activity and plan for commercial services Discussion Nathan reviewed the results of the survey completed by Advisory Group members prior to this meeting. Rafael reminded members that the objective of the meeting was to refine the initial ideas and approaches and incorporate any ideas or approaches that were not yet addressed. Maintain transportation system in state of good repair. Ideas and Approaches 1. Increase focus on maintenance of existing infrastructure in poor condition rather than expanding infrastructure. 3

4 2. Include risk of service interruption as a factor in identifying and setting priorities among major infrastructure maintenance needs. 3. Research, develop, and deploy state-of-the-art materials, technology, and methodologies to improve the physical condition and operational performance of transportation infrastructure (3D printers, self-healing pavement). 4. Design, develop, and maintain transportation infrastructure able to accommodate changing demands (larger or heavier loads) and regulations. 5. Design, develop, and maintain transportation infrastructure able to accommodate changing technologies (electric vehicle charging stations, connected vehicle and other ITS infrastructure). 6. Increase emphasis on maintaining transit vehicles, signage, and other equipment. 7. Increase emphasis on maintaining navigable waterways. Additional Ideas and Approaches Suggested by Advisory Group Members 1. Regarding #4 above, need to evaluate cost trade-offs for building roadways for heavier loads vs. requiring heavier loads be transported by rail or barge. 2. Improve port, rail, and road connectivity. 3. Increase emphasis strategies on increasing mobility efficiency while increasing the level of safety/crash prevention on the highways. 4. Address transportation predicted bottleneck areas, all modes. 5. Research and design transportation infrastructure able to adapt to changing climate conditions. 6. Evaluate the long term impact of increasing the allowable weights for highway vehicles considering both safety and increased maintenance. Discussion Rated approaches 6 (transit vehicles) and 7 (waterways) high because even though we are heavily dependent on highways we also need other modes like waterways and transit to give us resiliency and choice in the system. Rated what is most important from state perspective. All of these are important but tried to pick the most important. Transit seems to be more of a local/regional issue. Waterways are the responsibility of the Army Corps of Engineers so they need to carry the lion s share on funding. State should encourage and support but Army Corps of Engineers should mainly fund. We are seeing a migration of residents back to urban core. Given the limited extent of the transit system today, we need to focus on expanding transit rather than just maintaining what we have. o It is helpful to know how much is spent on maintenance versus new construction. Should discuss the relationship of funding to investment structure of the asset. Probably need to keep maintenance and modernization separate to distinguish between repair and expand. 4

5 Tended to rate by what we thought others/residents think. Risk of service interruption is a key issue with wide impact. Waterways are important but we don t feel pain of the waterways not being in service in the same way that we do for highways. Does FDOT use spot load growth to evaluate assets? Could we use this approach to identify roads that are about to get a lot more traffic due to industrial investment? Could we do more proactively here, perhaps work with economic development organizations to identify early triggers for where growth is likely to occur? Emphasis on maintaining current infrastructure. Need high level snapshot of funding. Given this is a combined FTP and SIS process, seems we are talking mainly what FDOT is doing as opposed to everyone else. This is supposed to be focused on transportation for all Florida. What do our users think of the roads? To what extent does the FDOT give this good news to local officials and potential businesses? The asset condition is different than congestion condition. State sets aside of 15% for public transportation. In Florida, this includes not only bus and rail but also seaports and airports. FTP needs to reflect stronger commitment to transit. Need to identify who is responsible for what. Agree with importance of transit state of good repair but also recognize this is a state transportation plan is this a state responsibility. Does FDOT own any transit vehicles other than SunRail? Need to focus on natural gas infrastructure. All major transit authorities are transferring over to natural gas from diesel. Others including rail and maritime are preparing to make large investments in natural gas as well. Issue of local versus state ownership is a key issue. We need to maintain what we have, highways and transit. Dynamic message signs on highways are out of date technology. Given how fast you are going on the interstate, it is hard to read these signs especially if the message is changing. Are we anticipating technology so we don t invest in items that are out of date? Identify spot areas with significant congestion and focus on those areas. Match what is going on locally and regionally to align with state. Concern over the approach on heavier vehicles. We do need to understand the tradeoffs involved in moving heavy loads on the different modes. Overweight vehicles really add to maintenance costs. 5

6 Innovation in Transportation Presentation Jennifer Fortunas, FDOT Systems Planning Office, gave a presentation on transportation system management. Advisory Group members offered the following questions and comments (responses to questions provided in italics): As a daily user of express lanes, these give a good choice and increase mobility. Crashes close down the choice. The way we deal with incidents has not changed from 30 years ago. Can we make a breakthrough on this? We are always monitoring ways to decrease incident response time and improve incident response. Occupancy detection is an issue, requires law enforcement. There is new technology to estimate the number of occupants, can we use it in Florida? We monitor new technology and look for ways to use them in Florida. Ed Hutchinson, FDOT Transportation Statistics Office, gave a presentation on automated vehicles. Advisory Group members offered the following questions and comments (responses to questions provided in italics): Is the truck fuel savings for both trucks in the platoon? All trucks, including the lead truck in a platoon experience fuel savings. Fuel savings are dependent on how close the trucks are to one another and the lead truck s fuel savings are not as high as the other trucks in the platoon. How do people feel about giving up control with autonomous vehicles? Many are unsure but are getting used to it. We know we won t convince everyone but if we can get a large portion we consider that success. What is the industry saying about what needs to happen for automated vehicles to work in Florida. It s a dance. The industry is already designing the vehicles. What they get from us is pavement conditions, traffic information, crash locations, land closures, GIS base mapping, and other information that make the vehicle work better. To coordinate where the trucks go, can automated vehicles be exempt from permitting process such as overweight, etc. The technology helps to determine the correct route based on weight and eventually, dimensions. The system would route them the right way based on the communication in the cab. This helps to streamline the permitting process. This information should be presented to millennials to get them thinking about using these technologies, so we can increase market penetration and turn the fleet over more quickly. Discussion Jim Wood, FDOT State Transportation Development Administrator, reviewed the latest customer survey results regarding annual vehicle miles traveled, survey travel times and congestion, rest area experience, airport experience. In our report, we should include some of this data to make it clear we need to do a better job with congestion. People are not satisfied with the level of congestion. 6

7 Rafael reviewed the results of the survey completed by Advisory Group members prior to this meeting. He reminded members that the objective of the meeting was to refine the initial ideas and approaches and incorporate any ideas or approaches that were not yet addressed. Improve efficiency of the transportation system. Ideas and Approaches 1. Provide more limited access corridors to move traffic more quickly in locations where there are gaps in this kind of connectivity. 2. Improve regional and local systems to provide alternatives to limited access corridors. 3. Promote more efficient freight flows and logistics patterns (point to point distribution models versus hub and spoke operations; automated deliveries (drones); improvements to rural truck routes, and improved balance of inbound and outbound loads). 4. Use intelligent traffic systems and connected vehicles to integrate and dynamically adjust traffic patterns. 5. Provide alternatives and help manage travel demand to reduce reliance on single occupancy vehicles. 6. Improve synchronization and connectivity between modes, including separation of modes where appropriate. Additional Ideas and Approaches Suggested by Advisory Group Members 1. Provide more limited access corridors to move freight more quickly. Discussion Future design of transportation facilities needs to incorporate what we ve learned. Integrate efficiencies into system design. Reflecting lessons learned. Incident management needs more attention. Need to clear incidents more quickly and improve the predictability of trips. Interconnectivity of ports and rail to the highway system is important to efficiency. Could move this idea from issue #1. Need reference to more than the road system. Efficient transportation is more than the road system. Need to include transit, walking, biking. There is an implication we can solve congestion if we just make road system more efficient. This is not necessarily the case. There is limited efficiency we can make with just the road system. We have a lot of cultures and languages. We need to do a better job of communicating to our residents and visitors as needed. We can learn from airports who already better communicate with them. Concerning managed lanes, should we consider converting general purpose lanes to managed lanes? It is the next step in the evolution of managed lanes. Until now only high occupancy vehicles and median conversions have become express lanes because the conversion of general purpose lanes is not allowed by federal or state law. Maybe we should consider this for the 7

8 future because soon there will be nothing else to convert. Consider bus rapid transit in the conversion lanes. Reiterate the importance of connections between the modes for efficiency. Truck platooning is important in Florida. Florida is getting eliminated from site selections for businesses based on the high cost per mile; anything that could increase efficiency could help us to sell Florida better. Need a reference to land use/land use planning to make the connection in the urban and rural areas as it relates to efficiency. FDOT is the most powerful land planning agency in the state of Florida. They dictate through standards how streets are designed which plays an important role in land use decision making at the local level. Congestion is often a sign of life in a city so we need to focus on functionality of the city rather than just congestion. Lack of congestion usually means city is dead. Modernize the transportation system. Ideas and Approaches 1. Expand and create multimodal terminals. 2. Develop and maintain multi-purpose, multimodal corridors: highways, rail, utilities, communication infrastructure, etc. 3. Invest in multi-level infrastructure as an option in built out urbanized areas. 4. Develop and maintain specialized freight corridors (e.g., truck-only lanes, truck-only corridors). 5. Develop and maintain high tech/smart corridors. 6. Integrate dynamic transportation management (e.g., automated intersection control). 7. Increase the use of unmanned/ automated systems for all modes. 8. Implement the use of a universal fare card for all transportation modes (car, bus, train, bike share, etc.). 9. Increase the coordination of digital network and physical network (e.g., real time technology to track containers and other assets). 10. Use transportation infrastructure for energy generation (e.g., solar highways). 11. Improve parking management. Discussion Focus on multiuse functionality of what we have and using that in the future. Energy generation and solar highway. A highway in Korea, for example, has taken the complete streets concept and applied it to create a complete highway that includes a bicycle lane in the median that is covered by solar panels. 8

9 Need to separate passenger rail from freight rail where possible. What is multilevel infrastructure? Multiple levels of infrastructure to build up rather than build out. For example, constructing elevated express lanes, transit lanes, or bicycle lanes. o This is a good concept to explore but we need to be careful not to fragment urban areas. FDOT builds miles of noise walls. Why don t we put solar on all of them? Multilevel could include co-locating of natural gas lines, etc. Don t limit to urban areas, put it in rural areas too so you don t have to go back and redo. Freight corridors, we need direct connections like the new connector to the Tampa port. This is a great selling point to new business. Universal fare card is a good thing. Seems like this is where we are going to in the future. Pay for what you use. In relation to approach 11 (parking) Broaden to address other land use issues. Need synergy with land use and transit. Automated vehicles are changing land use as well as safety, etc. Coordination with Space Florida to tap into this market more. If this becomes a tourist attraction, FDOT may need to be involved in providing good access to the facility. Future modernization should take into account all the socioeconomic classes and their different needs. Weak link in safety is human error so combining automated and traditional vehicles will still be an issue. May need to use different word than modernize so we capture what we mean. Modernize seems backward looking, we are looking forward to innovation, entrepreneurial approaches, etc. Policy that supports the colocation of utilities on FDOT right of way. Might be more sustainable for a funding source. This all seems organized around traditional rubber tire vehicles and how we make the system work better for them. We need to think beyond this. Instead of modernization maybe adaptive. Important to focus on things like future corridors initiatives so we can understand what may happen in the future so we can plan better. Alternative fuels and providing access to other fuels such as charging stations, natural gas stations, etc. is important. Need to have assistance getting these up and running. This would 9

10 require more/better planning and coordination. The turnpike service areas, for example, have begun integrating service stations for alternative fuel vehicles. Transportation is about the steps to get there as well as the destination. Should we consider these steps as part of this group? FDOT has an automated system for route planning for trucks to help with efficiency. It could work better if there was a system similar to Sunpass for trucks and they could sign up their vehicles under their account. Optimize existing roads first, then build new. This is a little different because we are looking at new technology versus doing it the same way. Need to keep focus on maintenance even if we are considering optimizing/adapting for new technology In public private partnerships, is maintenance cost included in the agreement? Yes. o This is a good example of thinking ahead; also think about public private partnerships to reevaluate how we manage some of the existing system state roads in urban areas that become complete streets, for example. Utility looks at return on investment, when do we switch from maintaining to updating? Maintenance is its own issue. Innovation is improving efficiency so combining second two makes sense. Expand modal choices for people and freight. Ideas and Approaches 1. Shift toward multimodal transportation system with less reliance on personal automobiles. 2. Improve pedestrian, bicycle, and transit connectivity from a local to interregional scale. 3. Provide infrastructure and services for shorter distance trips, such as circulators, personal rapid transit, on-demand transit. 4. Improve the efficiency of connections between hubs (airports, seaports, city centers, jobs centers, etc.). 5. Improve intrastate air service. 6. Promote the increased use of coastal and inland waterways including canal systems for transportation uses. 7. Expand capacity of major freight and passenger hubs and corridors to accommodate larger freight and passenger vehicles. 8. Improve the design of existing corridors to accommodate walking, bicycling, and transit. Discussion 10

11 Once goods are in the state, how do we get it from the ports to inland port to relieve congestion? This will also help with separating the passenger and freight movement to increase safety. Be mindful of the overweight/oversize vehicles in terms of impacts on safety and maintenance. Need better connections at smaller airports, like Tallahassee. Airports are public but the airlines are private. The demand has not been there to make the airlines move toward more connections. Airports and seaports are not FDOT facilities. There is a tendency of everyone to want one of each. We shouldn t overbuild just to appease everyone. Some airports may be outdated in the future because rail could get you there faster. Need to rethink access in general to the major hubs and then enable people to get around the state. Need longer term investment strategies to take into account changing demand, changing technologies, changing business models, etc. There are trips that are better served by rail connections than air. Part of modal choice is an effective intramodal rail system. Do people regard walking as a modal choice? Walking is the most fundamental mode and the system needs to work well for pedestrians, and not just for pedestrians to get to their car. Yes, but they don t always see the choice available for different reasons such as division, safety, etc. Walking to transit station encourages people to use transit. If you have to drive to transit station, you ll likely keep on driving to work. Land use plays into all of our transportation needs. Walking is greatly impacted for the good and bad by land use decisions. There are studies to increase the length of semi trucks by 10 feet. This is planned to take some trucks off the road but will impact the roads they travel on. o We need to consider the impacts of larger trucks on street design. Accommodating larger vehicles shouldn t be at the expense of the pedestrian experience, especially in urban areas. What about drones and flying cars? There may a need for infrastructure specific to these types of vehicles. The Chair noted that the Federal Aviation Administration is responsible for these regulations and the steering committee may not want to address this. It s hard to design for various modal choices if streets are designed to accommodate large freight vehicles. This creates safety issues. Concerned with tandem trucks will have impact on safety. Be careful to open flood gates on the length of trucks. 11

12 o Using technology to better fill trucks and promote efficiency. Look into other options for large trucks such as using different travel times, shifting peak period, etc. Consider the impacts of the shortage of truck drivers. Need to get emergency vehicles through even if we don t want to design for the large freight trucks. Keep in mind not only residents but the visitors that come here when considering modal choice. Consider design vehicle versus the accommodated vehicle, so you plan for the smaller vehicle but allow for the occasional emergency vehicle. Air travel is key component for visitors. Over 50% of Florida s visitors arrive by air. Historically the infrastructure adapted to the community but now the community has to adapt to the infrastructure that may be overbuilt for the occasional emergency vehicle. Truck platooning is not necessarily a good thing because they have to get off the interstate eventually and then get on state and local roads. Issue of funding has to eventually be a part of this conversation. How are we going to change the funding strategy to match up to the innovations we say we want and are planning for. Especially for transit. FDOT says all new highway capacity will be tolled but no funding strategy for new transit capacity. Waterway systems may not always be reliable especially the internal canals. Every product at some point has been on a truck. We have to focus on making it safe for the user and those outside the vehicle. Think of capacity more broadly than just cars. Any place in modal choice that relates to the users, are we doing a good job with educating people so they know the options are available. If not, the options may fail because people don t know about them. FDOT has a lot of data about accident, traffic, etc. we should dispense this information so its public knowledge. Improve intraregional, interregional, interstate, and international connectivity. Ideas and Approaches 1. Invest in high capacity passenger rail that connects urban centers with other modes throughout the state. 2. Proactively plan for right of way/corridor/land use needs far into the future (all modes freight and passenger, pipeline, communications conduit, etc.). 3. Provide cost-effective intrastate travel; more coast-to-coast roadways and/or networks. 12

13 4. Promote greater investment in inland transportation networks; focus freight and higher speed passenger transport inland and passenger service on the coast. 5. Develop dedicated interstate truck and rail corridors to other states (e.g., Florida to Texas). 6. Improve north/south connections from Florida to Georgia and Alabama. 7. Improve first-call import service to and last-call export service from Florida seaports. 8. Improve connectivity between modes. 9. Improve connectivity between local and regional transit systems. 10. Expand the number of direct international flights. Additional Ideas and Approaches Suggested by Advisory Group Members 1. Improve collaborative efforts between transportation planning entities. Discussion Some ranked low because they are out of the state s control. Need a better understanding of approach 5 (dedicated truck corridors). There is concern with using the word dedicated. We are organized to plan for transportation unlike any other state. We need collaboration goals to protect the investment made between regions. We shouldn t shy away because it s hard; we need to find a way to work together. Inland port is a great idea. Keep in mind that high speed rail as an inland system is not as effective. High speed rail should be located near the urban population centers. If it s easy to use, you ll be more likely to use it. Not all ports are going to be large, we need to have some prioritization to determine which are likely to be most successful and prioritize how they are funded. As much as people complain about planning entities, we keep creating more of them. They all have a cost. There seems to be a lot of overlap, duplication, and extra costs with these additional entities. Census data shows there will not likely be another new urbanized area in 2010 using current definitions, but the single county urbanized areas will be more integrated. In terms of state funding, we should rank them higher if entities can collaborate and work together. Could be federal regulations that could change how entities collaborate. New trade agreements from feds might be good information for Steering Committee. Some metropolitan planning organizations have come together in Florida to collaborate on issues such as improving north/south connections to Alabama and Georgia. This has significant impact on economic development. 13

14 Combining issue statements: Suggest we keep maintenance separate, just update the word modernization and combine efficiency and modernization o Agree Remove the words intraregional, interregional, interstate, and international on the Key Issue 5 for clarity. Keep modal choice and connectivity separate. Infrastructure and Adaptation Issues in South Florida Presentation Jim Murley, South Florida Regional Planning Council, gave a presentation on Seven50 and South Florida s infrastructure adaptation issues. Advisory Group members offered the following questions and comments (responses to questions provided in italics): Global warming is political. How do we get past the political discussion because sea level is rising either way? We had good elected officials, they educated themselves to see the problem, working together with many entities. We don t get into philosophical discussions. Goal is to protect the assets. Improve the transportation system s resiliency to extreme weather events and climate trends. Ideas and Approaches 1. Adapt and maintain infrastructure to reduce the magnitude and consequences of damage and disruption as a result of future extreme weather events and climate trends. 2. Change design and location practices to make the system more resilient. 3. Provide more redundancy in the system. 4. Create more inland distribution centers. Additional Ideas and Approaches Suggested by Advisory Group Members 1. Create more diversity in the system. Discussion Congress wants to let flood insurance rates reflect market. Sen. Nelson was able to vote that down. Actuarial works tells you sea level is rising. Does this have a major impact? You ve got to have the right audience and the right messengers. Our state is vulnerable to man made and natural disaster. Transportation is the backbone of disaster recovery. Not sure we are ready for this. Can we combine the connection to fiber to enable evacuation? Need gas in an evacuation but need electricity. There should be a requirement for service stations to have generators. 14

15 We need to address the effects regardless of the cause. We have to protect the assets. Each utility has robust storm plan. How does FDOT coordinate with utility in storms? Advanced planning, coordination with response. Compact has been a success with all working together. A lot of work has been done to mitigate wind but not as much on the flood. For example, sunny day flooding which is happening more than one day storm events. Need to pay more attention to this. Need more diversity in the system. What does redundancy mean? The more diverse, the more successful. What the steering committee does for this plan, can/does make a difference for planning at the local level. To what extent should we be talking about coordination efforts with the local agencies, maybe to go to shelter rather than leave the area on the transportation system? Change design and investment practices. Some of the changes are going to be more expensive and we need funds to accommodate. Recovery is just as important as the evacuation piece. We need to address the planning for recovery just as much. What about long term resiliency? Not an established process for it now. This is a harder issue to get our arms around. We are used to recovering from specific events. But the bigger issue may be more a status quo change over time. The long term resiliency issues is best viewed through scenarios. It s hard to know exactly when to invest for the long term. Is there a plan to raise streets up to a reasonable flood level to address streets that already known to flood? Turnpike has to be built above base flood. There is a balance in road building, there is a lot that goes into deciding how to design and build the roads to match context and use. Collaboration is needed. There is no policy for other state and local roads. State needs to have a plan to address these flooding issues and what to do about not only wave action flooding due to coastal storms but also static flooding due to tidal events. Federal Emergency Management Agency models future risk to incorporate into decision making. This changes the analysis and different way of approaching resiliency. Sea level rise is a maintenance issue long term because of flooding over the road. Is the state doing enough to address sea level rise? Even 9 inches of sea level rise 100 years from now is highly significant. Is the worst case scenario more than this? Are we doing enough to prepare for it? Risk based asset management resonates. This is a way to get the discussion moving and keep it moving. 15

16 How information flow increases exponentially because of the way information moves electronically/digitally today. We need to be prepared for all outcomes since we don t know what will happen in the future. Financial component, please include emphasis on privatization. This will be more help than public funding. Public Comment There were no comments from the public. Closing Remarks The Hon. Matt Surrency closed the meeting and thanked members for their participation. Next meeting date was set tentatively for the morning of May 11. Adjourn Meeting concluded at 3:30 PM. 16