RECORD OF DECISIONS TRANSPORT TRUCK TRAILER TECHNICIAN PROVINCIAL TRADE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. Advanced Education & Training.

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1 RECORD OF DECISIONS Advanced Education & Training TRANSPORT TRUCK TRAILER TECHNICIAN PROVINCIAL TRADE ADVISORY COMMITTEE HELD ON DAY & DATE: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 TIME: 9:00 a.m. 2:00 p.m. PLACE: Board Rm. # 3 10 th Floor 401 York Avenue Winnipeg MB R3C 0P8 Room 1010, 401 York Avenue PTAC Member Suggestion Box: Telephone: (204) Winnipeg MB R3C 0P8 Dschlamp@gov.mb.ca FAX: (204)

2 TRANSPORT TRUCK TRAILER MECHANIC PROVINCIAL TRADE ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING IN ATTENDANCE ORGANIZATION Member Type VOTE - NO VOTE Jim Beamish, Chair J. Quintaine and Son Ltd. Employer NV Vince Loewen Oak Point Service Employee V John Toset Reimer Express Lines Ltd. Employee V Jim Schwab Parkland Trailer Inc. Employer V Bruce Probetts Arnold Brothers Transport Ltd. Employer V STAFF Guy Champagne Barbara Barnett-Fontaine Brad Couch Dorothy Schlamp Apprenticeship Training Coordinator Policy Analyst, Apprenticeship Program Development Coordinator, Apprenticeship PTAC Clerk, Apprenticeship TRANSPORT TRUCK TRAILER TECHNICIAN PTAC 2 Of 8 November 18, 2003

3 Agenda Item # Notes Decision 7.1 Call to order Jim Beamish, PTAC Chair, called this meeting to order at 9:00 a.m. 7.2 Approval of Agenda Motion to approve the agenda as written. M: Vince Loewen S: Jim Schwab Carried. 7.3 Approval of Minutes of May 13, Discussion Items: Task Overlap with the Motor Vehicle Body Repairer (Paint) trade Barbara Barnett-Fontaine Barbara Barnett-Fontaine provided the PTAC with background information regarding this issue. She explained that the Motor Vehicle Body Repairer (Paint) (MVBR) PTAC is proceeding toward compulsory certification for their trade. She continued by explaining that if there is task overlap between the Transport Truck TrailerTechnician trade and the Motor Vehicle Body Repair (Painter) trade. It was noted that, because truck trailers are considered to be included in the tasks that journeypersons in the MVBR trade are allowed to perform, problems might result upon implementation of compulsory certification for uncertified Transport Truck Trailer Technicians. When a trade receives compulsory certification, the tasks of the trade become compulsory. Barbara asked the PTAC if they deem it necessary to have an industry working group to determine if there is an overlap of tasks between the trades of Motor Vehicle Body Repair (Paint) and Transport Truck Trailer Technician. Discussion followed. If the (NOA) for the trade of Transport Truck Trailer Technician (TTTT) does not list all of its tasks and, if the MVBR trade receives compulsory certification, the TTTT would not legally be allowed to perform overlapping tasks. Barbara Barnett Fontaine advised that the trades of Motion to approve the minutes of May 13, 2003 as written. M: Bruce Probetts S: John Toset Carried. The PTAC decided that an Industry Working Group will be required in the future to determine the overlapping tasks of the trade between Transport Truck and Trailer Mechanics and Motor Vehicle Body Repairer (Paint). TRANSPORT TRUCK TRAILER TECHNICIAN PTAC 3 Of 8 November 18, 2003

4 Truck and Transport Mechanic, Heavy Duty Equipment Mechanic and Agricultural Equipment Technician are in the process of enabling certified journeypersons from any of those three trades to supervisor apprentices in any of those three trades. Discussion ensued regarding the possibility of the trade of Transport Truck Trailer Technician being included in this arrangement. Barbara asked the PTAC if they feel that a reciprocity provision, while not ideal, would be appropriate for the Transport Truck Trailer trade. The PTAC would keep in mind that the above mentioned trades were developed from the Heavy Duty Equipment Mechanic trade and that the Transport Truck Trailer Technician trade is a stand-alone trade Shortage of Apprentices in the Apprenticeship Program Guy Champagne Discussion followed regarding conducting an industry working group (IWG) to address task overlap between trades. Bruce Probetts and Vince Loewen volunteered to represent TTTT at an IWG in this regard. Guy Champagne, ATC, addressed this issue. Currently, many people working in this trade have expressed the belief that the preferred means of attaining trade certification go through the requirements of the trades qualification process. Often, this method is chosen over the apprenticeship program as it allows the individual to remain on the job at full salary, whereas, the apprenticeship program requires that the person attend technical training at a reduced income - EI benefits. Class Schedule Guy Champagne reported the following information regarding class schedule: Level I nine apprentices began Level 1 in September Level II this class is tentatively scheduled for March Level III - this class is scheduled to commence January 5, There are 11 eligible candidates. Course Purchase Schedule In order to fill a class, 12 seats are required. Currently, only a Level III course is scheduled to commence in Depending on the number of TRANSPORT TRUCK TRAILER TECHNICIAN PTAC 4 Of 8 November 18, 2003

5 persons who apply for apprenticeship training, a Level I and/or Level II course may be scheduled at a later date. In response to a question raised by a member of the PTAC, the ATC advised that classes are, on occasion, combined. However, this situation is rare and only is used if the workspace is sufficient to accommodate all of the students involved. It is not a preferred method of providing training. Certified Exam Placement This is a program that is being developed to assist people in their preparation for writing the Trade Qualifications Exam. Practical Training Record Book This book is provided to all apprentices and is used to record the tasks that an apprentice is competent in performing, as well as the time that has been served on each task. The book is signed off by the supervising journeyperson. Wages EI benefits are lower than the wage that an employee earns while on the job. Therefore, wage incentives are encouraged but are not mandatory. Currently, apprentices are on a reduced wage while taking their technical training. Designated Trainer Issue - The PTAC Chair agreed to write a letter on behalf of this trade regarding re-examination of the designated trainer issue. As previously stated, the designated trainer issue is a cause for concern in this trade. The PTAC discussed the option of applying to the Apprenticeship Trades & Qualifications Board for a reciprocity provision. This provision will be discussed further at a future meeting as it involves the trades of Heavy Duty Equipment Mechanic (HDEM), Truck & Transport Mechanic and Transport Truck Trailer Mechanic. These related trades would determine if it would be acceptable to allow a certified Truck & Transport Mechanic or a certified HDEM to supervise the training of a Transport Truck and Trailer Mechanic apprentice. Promotion of this trade and employers support are TRANSPORT TRUCK TRAILER TECHNICIAN PTAC 5 Of 8 November 18, 2003

6 7.4.3 Employer s Guide Guy Champagne key to the success of the apprenticeship program. A suggestion was made that the Manitoba Trucking Association might be approached to assist with the promotion of this trade. If so, a questionnaire could be developed by Branch staff and forwarded to an MTA representative for inclusion with the MTA regular newsletter. The questionnaire would raise such questions as: - Is there interest in the apprenticeship program? - What is the number of journeypersons in a workshop? - Are employers hiring new staff? - It was stated that empirical data must be provided to the Apprenticeship Trades and Qualifications Board to effect changes in this trade. Senior Years Option The Apprenticeship Branch contact person to discuss this option is Mr. Robert Cormack. A brief explanation of this option was provided by the ATC. He reported that students could learn tasks of the trade (practical training) while they are in high school and earn credits in this regard. Guy Champagne, ATC, reported that employers were provided with the Employer s Guide. The Branch has requested feedback from them regarding this document. He advised that the Employer s Guide explains the employer s responsibility to the Apprenticeship Program. As well, it provides information pertaining to the Apprenticeship Act, the General Regulation, and the Trade Regulation. Guy also provided an overview of the Journeyperson s Guide and explained what is required of person who is taking the apprenticeship program. Discussion followed regarding both above-noted documents. The general consensus of the PTAC is that promotion of the trade is important in order to draw new apprentices to this field. TRANSPORT TRUCK TRAILER TECHNICIAN PTAC 6 Of 8 November 18, 2003

7 In closing, Guy reminded the PTAC that industry support is key to the success of the Apprenticeship Program and training of certified journeypersons in this trade. 7.5 Business Arising Review of Draft Technical Training Profile & Profile Chart - Brad Couch IP Item Bank Workshop Brad Couch It was suggested that a survey be conducted to determine if there is a need for designated trainer and/or upgrading of people who have their certificate. Barbara Barnett-Fontaine advised that she would be meeting with the Vehicle Maintenance Council to speak about the issue of compulsory certification. Barbara Barnett-Fontaine departed the meeting. Brad Couch, Program Development Coordinator, provided the PTAC with copies of the Technical Training: Profile Draft 2 November, The committee reviewed the document. Concerns were expressed regarding the content of the welding unit. Discussion followed. Brad noted the PTAC s revisions to the document. Brad Couch reported that there is a need to develop new item bank questions for this trade. Human Resource Development Canada (HRDC) is initiating the development of a workshop to address this need. Industry representatives and trade representatives will be required. Brad informed the PTAC that the tentative date for this workshop is either January 18 23, 2004 or January 25-30, Brad then advised the PTAC that volunteers or nominations of persons who might be interested in participating in the workshop will be required. In response to this advice, Mr. Vince Loewen and Mr. Blain Schwab have let their names stand to be participants in this workshop. Brad continued to explain the process involved in development of item bank questions. He advised the PTAC that, currently, there are approximately 350 questions in the Item Bank. All of these questions will require review prior to the workshop. Vince Loewen and Blain Schwab will assist, also, in this review process. Brad Couch will provide the TRANSPORT TRUCK TRAILER TECHNICIAN PTAC 7 Of 8 November 18, 2003

8 7.5.3 Review of Draft Units Brad Couch necessary information to the volunteers prior to the review. Brad provided the PTAC with draft copies of the following units for their review and feedback: - Unit A6 Welding (Oxyacetylene) - Unit A2 Equipment Access, Transport & Related Procedures - Unit A3 Tools, Shop Equipment, Fasteners, Gaskets and Seals - Unit A4 Electrical Fundamentals - Unit A7 Basic Computer Skills, Customer Relations and Communications - Unit A9 Pre IP Review - Unit D1 Tires and Wheel Assemblies On all draft units presented, Brad facilitated the review of the unit and noted the PTAC s revisions. Brad thanked the PTAC for their input. This concluded his presentation. 7.6 New Business No new business items were brought forward at this time Next meeting To be determined by the PTAC Chair 7.7 Adjournment This meeting adjourned at 2:00 p.m. Motion to adjourn. Jim Schwab. Minutes Recorded by Dorothy Schlamp, PTAC Clerk TRANSPORT TRUCK TRAILER TECHNICIAN PTAC 8 Of 8 November 18, 2003