Interviewing while Pregnant

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1 ing while /UCSFOCPD: f career.ucsf.edu: Website Want the Slides? Career.ucsf.edu/CareerAdvancement Naledi Saul, Director, UCSF Office of Career & Professional Development

2 Stage 1: Stage 2: Stage 3: Application Materials Phone First things first; the five stages of an employment hiring process 2

3 Why does this workshop exist? " To help you make a good decision One where you understand: 1. All your options about when you could possibly disclose 2. The pros and cons of disclosing at each of those moments 3. Key internal and external factors influencing your decision because then you know these things, you can make an " informed decision, and live with the rewards" and the consequences of that decision. A good decision is an informed decision 3

4 What are we covering tonight?" Learning Outcomes: 1. Define the 5 stages of an interview 2. Describe the factors that affect a person s decision about when (which stage) to disclose their pregnancy and determine what s influencing yours 3. Review the relevant legal protections 4. Describe 4 criteria that define a good decision about when to disclose your pregnancy 5. Practice the language to disclose a pregnancy at different stages 4

5 Stage 1: Stage 2: Stage 3: Application Materials Phone What influences a person s decision about when to disclose their pregnancy during an hiring process? 5

6 Your Turn: When do you want to disclose? Why? Stage 1: Stage 2: Stage 3: Application Materials Phone 1. How visible the pregnancy is 2. A person s personal values 3. Their understanding of the legal protections 4. Their level of concern about the level of discrimination or vitriol they might face 5. How much they need the job 6. How risk adverse they are 7. What they know about the organization how family friendly their reputation is. 8. Their level of skill and confidence that they can negotiate what they feel to be a difficult conversation 6

7 Learning Outcomes 1. Define the 5 stages of an interview 2. Describe the factors that affect a woman s decision about when to disclose her pregnancy and determine what s influencing yours 3. Review the relevant legal protections 7

8 What does the law say? Job protection Pregnancy Discrimination Act (Federal) Family Medical Leave Act (Federal) California Family Rights Act (CA) Pregnancy Disability Leave (CA) 8

9 What the law says: job protection 1978 Pregnancy Discrimination Act (Federal) 1993 Family Medical Leave Act (Federal) 1993 California Family Rights Act (CA) 1978 Pregnancy Disability Leave (CA) What does it do? Prohibits an employer from refusing to hire a pregnant woman because of her pregnancy, childbirth, or related medical condition Employees who are eligible may take up to 12 unpaid weeks of leave for serious health conditions, bonding with a new child, or preparation for a family member's military service Eligible if they work at a location with at least 50 employees within a 75-mile radius. Employees that are eligible are allowed to take up to 12 unpaid weeks in any 12- month period. Private employers must comply with the CFRA if they have 50 or more workers within 75 miles of the worksite and public employers with any number of workers Under the 1959 Fair Employment Housing Act (FEHA). Discrimination & harassment is illegal. Also, employers with at least five employees must give employees a reasonable period of leave for disability relating to pregnancy, childbirth, or related conditions. Providers certify 4 weeks of leave before birth, 6 weeks after birth/8 weeks after C- section. This period can exceed four months, in certain cases. What s notable? The law doesn't prohibit employers from asking whether an applicant is pregnant or has pregnancy plans, but taking pregnancy into account for the application process is prohibited, says Jeanne Goldberg, senior attorney advisor in the Office of Legal Counsel at the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. Employees must have worked for the company for at least a year & worked at least 1,250 hours during the previous year Employees must have worked for the company for at least a year & worked at least 1,250 hours during the previous year Employees are eligible even if they work less that 1,250 hours for an employer the preceding year, or if that employer has less that 50 employees. Info pregnancy.cfm statutes/fmla.htm Publications_CFRADefi 2017 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. Please do not reprint ned.htm without permission. Presentation Title and/or Sub Brand Name Here DFEH%20FAQs%20PDL.pdf 11/13/ 17

10 Learning Outcomes 1. Define the 5 stages of an interview 2. Describe the factors that affect a woman s decision about when to disclose her pregnancy and determine what s influencing yours 3. Review the relevant legal protections 4. Describe 4 criteria that define a good decision about when to disclose your pregnancy 10

11 What 4 criteria do you use to decide when to discuss your pregnancy? 4. Timing for comfort Do you think you this is the point where you can most comfortably manage the subsequent conversation? 3. Language Do you understand how you will frame your conversation, and have you practiced the language you will use to discuss your status?? 2. Indication Do you have some indication about how the hiring manager will respond (either through researching the organization beforehand, or assessing the hiring manager and team during the interview)? 1. Information Do you have enough information to understand the scope & volume of your expected workload to be able to partner with the hiring manager to discuss how you can collaboratively manage the issue? 11

12 Learning Outcomes 1. Define the 5 stages of an interview 2. Describe the factors that affect a woman s decision about when to disclose her pregnancy and determine what s influencing yours 3. Review the relevant legal protections 4. Determine 4 criteria that define a good decision about when to disclose your pregnancy 5. Practice the language to disclose a pregnancy at different stages of the interview. 12

13 Deciding what stage to disclose Stage 1: Stage 2: Stage 3: Application Materials Phone 4. Timing for comfort Do you think you this is the point where you can most comfortably manage the subsequent conversation? 3. Language Do you understand how you will frame your conversation, and have you practiced the language you will use to discuss your status? 2. Indication Do you have some indication about how the hiring manager will respond (either through researching the organization beforehand, or assessing the hiring manager and team during the interview)? 1. Information Do you have enough information to understand the scope & volume of your expected workload to be able to partner with the hiring manager to discuss how you can collaboratively manage the issue? 13

14 Stage 3: If you re going to disclose: the goal by the end of the interview in regards to your pregnancy is to convey three things: 1. I m pregnant 2. I m committed to working with you about finding a solution that works for both of us. 3. I ve been taking steps/researching/ thinking already about how to make this work if I m the selected candidate. 14

15 Stage 3: Not Visibly Pregnant Unless you need an accommodation, you don t have to disclose. Typical day Meet with your direct supervisor Meet with your colleagues Meet with the senior leadership Meet with subordinates/direct reports Give some sort of talk to team Meet with your direct supervisor 15

16 Stage 3: Not Visibly Pregnant Discuss with Direct Supervisor at: Typical day Meet with your direct supervisor Meet with your colleagues Meet with the senior leadership Tell Here! 1. What do you think will be most challenging? question. Meet with subordinates/direct reports Give some sort of talk to team Meet with your direct supervisor Tell Here! 2. Do you have any questions for us? (End of the interview/day) 16

17 Stage 3: Visibly Pregnant Discuss with Direct Supervisor at: Typical day Meet with your direct supervisor Meet with your colleagues Meet with the senior leadership Meet with subordinates/direct reports Give some sort of talk to team Meet with your direct supervisor Tell Here! Tell Here! 1. Tell me about yourself. (At the beginning of the day, when asked) 2. What do you think will be most challenging? question. 3. Do you have any questions for us? (End of the interview/day) 17

18 Stage 3: Visibly Pregnant Q. Tell me about yourself. Start with your skills and qualifications. I am a cell biologist, and my work focuses on the role of inflammatory signaling molecules on tumor formation and development. I m currently completing my postdoc at UCSF, where I ve been working with X, Y and Z. I am interested in this position because have a deep interest in improving existing human therapeutics for breast cancer. End with. Just to put it on the table, as you can see, I am currently 7 months pregnant. (Optional) I thought carefully about applying for this position. I ve been closely following Eli Lilly s phase III Monarch 3 studies on abemaciclib over the past year, and When I saw this position, I knew I wanted to throw my hat in the ring. It s a chance to apply my skills to work to some incredibly promising research. If I m the selected candidate, I m sure we can find an arrangement that minimizes the impact, and meets your goals. But, thank you for the chance to interview today. I ve really been looking forward to our conversation. 18

19 Stage 3: Visibly Pregnant Q. Tell me about yourself. Start with your skills and qualifications. I m a Nurse Practitioner with 10 years of RN work in community settings. I have extensive experience working with chronic, preventable health issues, including diabetes and obesity, and enjoy working with underserved populations. I ve also used my Spanish language skills in a medical capacity in both the US and abroad. End with. Finally, as you can see, I am currently 7 months pregnant. (Optional) I thought carefully about applying for this position, and my skills and experience/area of expertise were in such close alignment with the qualifications, that I knew I wanted to apply. I would just like to say if I am ultimately the candidate you select, I am confident that we could work together to ensure that I meet your goals for the position. This is an exciting opportunity, so thank you for the invitation to interview. 19

20 Stage 3: Not Visibly Pregnant If you are not plan to disclose: Beware of tells: Avoid certain food Wince or touch tummy because the baby is kicking Get nauseous from certain scents Have trouble sitting Throwing up suddenly Have trouble walking longer distances 20

21 Stage 3: Discuss with Direct Supervisor at: Typical day 1. Tell me about yourself. (At the beginning of he day, when asked) Meet with your direct supervisor Tell Here! Meet with your colleagues Meet with the senior leadership 2. What do you think will be most challenging? question. Meet with subordinates/direct reports Give some sort of talk to team Meet with your direct supervisor Tell Here! 3. Do you have any questions for us? (End of the interview/day) 21

22 Stage 3: Q. What do you think will be most challenging for you in taking this position? You know, this seems like a good time to share something/talk about the 6 month elephant in the room. As you can see, my partner and I will be welcoming our new child into the world this summer. Like any candidate, my goal today is to understand the scope of the work to be done, and see if I have the skills and expertise to solve the problems you need this person to solve. For me, preparing for the interview in addition to researching your work has included reaching out to my network to talk to colleagues and supervisors to understand some best practices and industry norms for pharmacists/physical therapists, etc. who are new parents to manage the work load. those conversations, I realize this can be managed. Please know that if I am ultimately the candidate you hire I intend to to work with you around milestones, and timeline to make sure that we your meet your goals and expectations for the person in this position. 22

23 Stage 3: Q. Do you have any questions for us? Actually, you've answered my questions about key timelines and challenges that the candidate will face. Thank you. I do have something I would like to disclose, however. (as you can see/as you possibly may be aware) I am X months pregnant. My due date is in November. Please know that I if I do match with your residency program/ am the selected candidate, I am confident we can identify strategies to minimize the impact of my impending pregnancy on your goals. I ve been talking with several residents/pharmacists/etc. about best practices in managing the situation successfully. 23

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25 Stage 3: 1. Women who choose to disclose between the time period of the offer being made and their acceptance, often put a high value on selecting a position that will offer them the work-life integration with being a new parent. 2. They are reluctant to accept a position that they do not feel will be supportive with their life. They know the employer would face difficulty if they rescind the offer, but are gauging the employer's reaction to their news to determine if this is truly a supportive environment. 3. When candidates choose to disclose at this stage, we encourage them to engage as any other candidate would: hear the full offer, ask for time to consider and call back/ follow up for final negotiations before you accept. 4. When the employer makes the initial offer, project honest enthusiasm for the position and let the first conversation focus on gaining information about the details of the offer. 25

26 Stage 3: Employer interviews you. Checks your references Employer calls with offer. Disclose Pregnancy Here Employer say yes Thank employer for considering request. Accept offer. Ask to hear offer. Ask for 2-7 days" to consider it. You think about it. What, if anything would make " the offer more " attractive? That s what you negotiate." Call employer back. Negotiate key points. Employer needs to check Employer says no Wait until employer calls back. Employer gives final offer Accept offer Decline offer Thank employer for considering request. Accept offer. Thank employer for considering request. Decline offer. 26

27 Stage 3: Discussing In One Conversation Thank you so much for the offer - I'm thrilled, and think we will do great work together. Could I please hear about the components of the offer? Thank you for going over the details. Discussing In Two Conversations Thank you so much for the offer - I'm thrilled, and think we will do great work together. Could I please hear about the components of the offer? Thank you for going over the details. It certainly is both competitive and appealing. It certainly is both competitive and appealing. It's a big decision, and I'd like a few days to think about what you've said, and to give serious consideration to your offer. Could we talk again on Friday? Also, could you possibly send me the offer in writing? Once again, I would like to thank you for your very competitive offer. I've appreciated the time to think about it.. I was just wondering if there was any flexibility around two points: potential time off and the salary. First, I need to share that (my partner and) I are/am expecting. My due date is in May. Because of this, I was wondering about the possibility of leave between May and July, before returning to work full time. Second, based on market averages and my level of experience, I've was wondering if there was any flexibility in the salary to get closer to $110,000 annually? I was just wondering if there was any flexibility around two points: potential time off and the salary. First, I need to share that (my partner and) I are/am expecting. My due date is in May. Because of this, I was wondering about the possibility of leave between May and July, before returning to work full time. Second, I've was wondering if there was any flexibility in the salary to get closer to $110,000 annual salary? 27

28 Stage 3: If they are the type of supervisor who needs time to process information, drop into their office for five minutes. 1. I wanted to find time over the next week to check in with you about a situation. I am thrilled to share that I am pregnant and due in August. (Pause) 2. I d like to talk about how to minimize the impact of this fact on the staff/on the projects I've begun to work on, and to develop a long term plan to transition both out and in smoothly. 3. Does this Friday work for you? I think we'd need about 30 minutes." If your supervisor handles unexpected news well, schedule a 30 minute meeting within the first week. 1. Thank you for meeting with me. I wanted to touch base with you about a situation that impacts my work. (As I shared earlier) I am three months pregnant, and my daughter is due in February. (Pause) 2. I d like to talk about how to minimize the impact of this fact on the staff/on the projects I've begun to work on, and to develop a long term plan to transition both out and in smoothly. 3. They key issues I see are schedule coverage, project X, and informing the team, but I imagine there are others How have you handled this in the past, and what should we cover first?

29 Your Turn Stage 1: Stage 2: Stage 3: Application Materials Phone What stage would you feel comfortable disclosing now? 29

30 What we covered today 1. Define the 5 stages of an interview 2. Describe the factors that affect a woman s decision about when to disclose her pregnancy and determine what s influencing yours 3. Review the relevant legal protections 4. Determine 4 criteria that define a good decision about when to disclose your pregnancy 5. Practice the language to disclose a pregnancy at different stages of the interview. 30

31 ing while /UCSFOCPD: f career.ucsf.edu: Website Students and Postdocs: Want to practice interviewing? Schedule! career.ucsf.edu/appointments Want programs delivered to your ? career.ucsf.edu/listserv Naledi Saul, Director, UCSF Office of Career & Professional Development